Now this is fascinating ..

J.Blake_<77> · 23-09-2009, 06:38 PM

gue ktmu ini article and gue rasa cocok u/ d bhas dgn sesama penggemar Manchester United ..

enjoy~

Revealed: Manchester United get more injury time when they need it
• Guardian study shows added time to turn round home games
• Owen won derby after an extra five minutes and 26 seconds

Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

After the controversy over Michael Owen's winning goal in Sunday's Manchester derby, the Guardian has looked at all of United's league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season and discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra added by referees when United do not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front. In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec.

The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. But there is also evidence to support the suspicions of many managers, players and supporters that United get preferential treatment at home. When Owen made it 4-3 on Sunday the game was five minutes and 26 seconds into stoppage time. In total, the referee, Martin Atkinson, allowed almost seven minutes, even though the fourth official had signalled a minimum of four. Mark Hughes, the City manager, spoke of feeling "robbed". His sense of grievance will not be helped if he analyses the last three seasons.

In 2006-07, for example, United were winning 15 times on entering stoppage time and referees added an average 194.53sec. In the four games when United were not winning there was an average of 217.25sec. The following year the disparity was greater, Opta's figures showing an average 178.29sec added when United were winning and 254.5sec when they were not. Last season it was 187.71sec compared to 258.6sec.

The pattern has continued in the first three games of the season. In the two games United have led they have played an average 304sec of injury time. On Sunday, Atkinson allowed the game to go on for 415sec.

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source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/22/manchester-united-goals-stoppage-time

jujur aja gue ga ngerti napa bs gene .. apa karena influence Sir Alex Ferguson atau tidak ..

LuthfiRulezz · 23-09-2009, 08:32 PM

^artikel yg bagus Bro...

cuma kenapa pas United yg mendapat "keuntungan" baru artikel ini dikeluarin ya?? padahal data yg dijabarin di artikel itu dr sisen 06/07. dan dari artikel diatas jelas2 disebutin kalo rata2 Injury Time yg MUFC dapet di Old Trafford masih lebih rendah dari Chelsea di SB, Liverpool di Anfield, sama Arsenal di Emirates. jangan sampe terkesan Guardian juga jd ABU...

lebih enak kalo ada data pertandingannya nih. cari2 dulu deh, biar enak diskusinya. anyway, sekali lg artikel yg bagus nih...

Dark · 23-09-2009, 08:52 PM

kok kayaknya De Ja Vu yah..

ayupsin · 23-09-2009, 08:56 PM

Nih aku tambahin artikelnya :

Manchester United get more stoppage time at Old Trafford when they need a goal

Quote:

Two reports today reveal conflicting views, with one suggesting that United are actually less likely to receive additional playing time over the course of a Premier League season, but another suggesting that more time is likely to be added on at Old Trafford when United actually need it and are still chasing something from the game.
There may be lies, damn lies and statistics at work but nonetheless both studies will make for compelling reading.

The Sun today published a ‘Premier League Times Table’ in which all Premier League teams were ranked in order of how much stoppage time on average was played in their games, home and away, in the 2007-08 season, with United ranked 16th with 220 seconds.
Hull City came top with 259.6 secs, while Chelsea received the lowest average amount of stoppage time with 212.8 secs.
Such figures would seem to undermine the notion that United benefit from the kind of favouritism that Hughes was alluding to when he said: “You could say we feel frustrated, but robbed might be a better word. I’m not questioning the referee’s integrity, I just don’t know where he’s got the seven minutes from.”
However, a Guardian study on a similar subject proves far more revealing.
Reviewing all of United’s league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season, they discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra of added time played when United did not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front.
In the 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 ss. In the 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17 secs.
The overall average amount of stoppage time for league games at Old Trafford for the period of the study is actually less than comparable figures for the other big four teams.
Liverpool’s average stoppage time at Anfield stands at 210 secs, Arsenal enjoy 224 secs’s per game while at Stamford Bridge the figure is 229 secs.
Last season, on route to the successful defence of their Premier League title the average time added on when United were winning at Old Trafford was 187.71 sec compared to 258.6 secs when they were losing or drawing.
Such a pattern has been continued in to this season, despite only three league matches being played. In the two matches that have reached 90 minutes with United in front an average of 304 secs was played while in Sunday’s derby match referee Martin Atkinson sanctioned a further 415 secs of playing time.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/6217630/Manchester-United-get-more-stoppage-time-at-Old-Trafford-when-they-need-a-goal.html

Discusnya besok ya, dah mau pul kantor nihh

LuthfiRulezz · 23-09-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark

kok kayaknya De Ja Vu yah..

akhirnya ngarti juga maksud dejavu nya apaan

maklum lep, baru balik ke peradaban, jd yg di baca yg diatas-atas dulu

udah ditambahin tuh sama bro Ayupsin

Marthin · 23-09-2009, 11:11 PM

ya de ja vu nya di simpen aja dulu deh..

Di thread Review juga ada kayanya..

Rudy Tok · 23-09-2009, 11:23 PM

Gua tambahin dech,

'Fergie Time' does exist... Four memorable matches where United won in injury time

Popular belief has it that Manchester United play 'Fergie Time' at Old Trafford - basically as much injury time as required for the home side to score a winner or draw level.
This time around, Sir Alex Ferguson's United side overcame their 'noisy neighbours' in an unforgettable Manchester derby with a Michael Owen goal deep in stoppage time to claim a 4-3 victory.
City manager Mark Hughes was left bemused at how the referee had played six minutes of injury time when the fourth official had indicated there would be just four added at the end of the 90.
United's victory has once again opened the 'Fergie Time' debate and, as this list shows, the Reds do seem to get more than their fair share of luck, late in games at Old Trafford.

1. Manchester United 2-1 Sheffield Wednesday, April 10, 1993
2. Manchester United 3-2 Aston Villa, April 5, 2009 (Macheda's Goal)
3. Manchester United 1-0 Sunderland, December 6, 2008(Vidic late goal)
4. Manchester United 4-3 Manchester City, September 20, 2009

PEMBALASAN BUAT FERGIE

Manchester United 1-1 Porto 1 (Agg: 2-3), March 9, 2004. Ingat dong kasus ini. Mourinho yang sape harus menari di lapangan ...

link :

Code:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1215061/REVEALED-Fergie-Time-does-exist--Four-memorable-matches-United-won-injury-time.html

Marthin · 23-09-2009, 11:42 PM

Tambahan komentar..

GRAHAM POLL: Fergie once explained the rules of football to me: At the home of Manchester United, you play until they win

Code:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1214932/GRAHAM-POLL-Its-time-stop-clock-watching-pressure-refs-Old-Trafford.html#ixzz0Rwsf6oKC

AngelTouch · 24-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upi arghuBBy

jangan sampe terkesan Guardian juga jd ABU...

padahal dulu gw pernah baca di Bola Vaganza,Guardian itu termasuk pembela United...kok jadi gini yah ?

biar laku kali yah ?

J.Blake_<77> · 24-09-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upi arghuBBy

^artikel yg bagus Bro...

cuma kenapa pas United yg mendapat "keuntungan" baru artikel ini dikeluarin ya?? padahal data yg dijabarin di artikel itu dr sisen 06/07. dan dari artikel diatas jelas2 disebutin kalo rata2 Injury Time yg MUFC dapet di Old Trafford masih lebih rendah dari Chelsea di SB, Liverpool di Anfield, sama Arsenal di Emirates. jangan sampe terkesan Guardian juga jd ABU...

lebih enak kalo ada data pertandingannya nih. cari2 dulu deh, biar enak diskusinya. anyway, sekali lg artikel yg bagus nih...

iya sih rata2 stoppage time kan emank paling dkit ..

tp kan ada stats nya kata nya ref nambah 1 menit kalo united kalah/draw >.<

btw gue dpt gambar lucu jg .. wkwkw ..

enjoy~

23-09-2009, 06:38 PM	#1
J.Blake_<77> Rookie Id Number : IMU-10116 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 29 My Page	Now this is fascinating .. gue ktmu ini article and gue rasa cocok u/ d bhas dgn sesama penggemar Manchester United .. enjoy~ Revealed: Manchester United get more injury time when they need it • Guardian study shows added time to turn round home games • Owen won derby after an extra five minutes and 26 seconds Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches. After the controversy over Michael Owen's winning goal in Sunday's Manchester derby, the Guardian has looked at all of United's league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season and discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra added by referees when United do not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front. In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec. The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. But there is also evidence to support the suspicions of many managers, players and supporters that United get preferential treatment at home. When Owen made it 4-3 on Sunday the game was five minutes and 26 seconds into stoppage time. In total, the referee, Martin Atkinson, allowed almost seven minutes, even though the fourth official had signalled a minimum of four. Mark Hughes, the City manager, spoke of feeling "robbed". His sense of grievance will not be helped if he analyses the last three seasons. In 2006-07, for example, United were winning 15 times on entering stoppage time and referees added an average 194.53sec. In the four games when United were not winning there was an average of 217.25sec. The following year the disparity was greater, Opta's figures showing an average 178.29sec added when United were winning and 254.5sec when they were not. Last season it was 187.71sec compared to 258.6sec. The pattern has continued in the first three games of the season. In the two games United have led they have played an average 304sec of injury time. On Sunday, Atkinson allowed the game to go on for 415sec. Code: source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/22/manchester-united-goals-stoppage-time jujur aja gue ga ngerti napa bs gene .. apa karena influence Sir Alex Ferguson atau tidak .. __________________ “Football is such an extraordinary game and so full of surprises, you just never know.” ~Sir Alex Ferguson. I love and live for Manchester United .. My blood is filled with the red devils .. My veins is flowing with rage .. Glory, glory Manchester United .. Long Live Manchester for eternity .. Shock and shake the world with glory and victory .. Last edited by J.Blake_<77>; 23-09-2009 at 06:41 PM.

23-09-2009, 08:32 PM	#2
LuthfiRulezz spot the difference... Id Number : IMU-3519 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: long road to reach nonbar place... Posts: 4,084	^artikel yg bagus Bro... cuma kenapa pas United yg mendapat "keuntungan" baru artikel ini dikeluarin ya?? padahal data yg dijabarin di artikel itu dr sisen 06/07. dan dari artikel diatas jelas2 disebutin kalo rata2 Injury Time yg MUFC dapet di Old Trafford masih lebih rendah dari Chelsea di SB, Liverpool di Anfield, sama Arsenal di Emirates. jangan sampe terkesan Guardian juga jd ABU... lebih enak kalo ada data pertandingannya nih. cari2 dulu deh, biar enak diskusinya. anyway, sekali lg artikel yg bagus nih... __________________ Manchester United it all started in 1878 as Newton Heath more than a century has passed no one would have thought then it would rise into such a global phenomenon the love, joy and obsession of millions players come and go managers come and go but this club will never die To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Tim Ho Wannabe To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

23-09-2009, 08:52 PM	#3
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23-09-2009, 11:11 PM	#6
Marthin @AllenMarthin Id Number : IMU-7951 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bekasi - Jakarta Posts: 1,230 My Page	ya de ja vu nya di simpen aja dulu deh.. Di thread Review juga ada kayanya.. __________________ MUFC 19 Times

23-09-2009, 11:23 PM	#7
Rudy Tok IndoManUtd Reborn Pioneer Id Number : IMU-4 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jakarta Posts: 1,780 My Page	Gua tambahin dech, 'Fergie Time' does exist... Four memorable matches where United won in injury time Popular belief has it that Manchester United play 'Fergie Time' at Old Trafford - basically as much injury time as required for the home side to score a winner or draw level. This time around, Sir Alex Ferguson's United side overcame their 'noisy neighbours' in an unforgettable Manchester derby with a Michael Owen goal deep in stoppage time to claim a 4-3 victory. City manager Mark Hughes was left bemused at how the referee had played six minutes of injury time when the fourth official had indicated there would be just four added at the end of the 90. United's victory has once again opened the 'Fergie Time' debate and, as this list shows, the Reds do seem to get more than their fair share of luck, late in games at Old Trafford. 1. Manchester United 2-1 Sheffield Wednesday, April 10, 1993 2. Manchester United 3-2 Aston Villa, April 5, 2009 (Macheda's Goal) 3. Manchester United 1-0 Sunderland, December 6, 2008(Vidic late goal) 4. Manchester United 4-3 Manchester City, September 20, 2009 PEMBALASAN BUAT FERGIE Manchester United 1-1 Porto 1 (Agg: 2-3), March 9, 2004. Ingat dong kasus ini. Mourinho yang sape harus menari di lapangan ... link : Code: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1215061/REVEALED-Fergie-Time-does-exist--Four-memorable-matches-United-won-injury-time.html Last edited by Dark; 23-09-2009 at 11:47 PM.

23-09-2009, 11:42 PM	#8
Marthin @AllenMarthin Id Number : IMU-7951 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bekasi - Jakarta Posts: 1,230 My Page	Tambahan komentar.. GRAHAM POLL: Fergie once explained the rules of football to me: At the home of Manchester United, you play until they win Code: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1214932/GRAHAM-POLL-Its-time-stop-clock-watching-pressure-refs-Old-Trafford.html#ixzz0Rwsf6oKC __________________ MUFC 19 Times

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